Dr. Pia de Solenni, Senior Fellow at the Center for Human Life and Bioethics and co-author of the statement, said, "Human cloning is likely to become a powerful industry built on disadvantaged women." Dr. de Solenni is the author of an article, "In Search of Treatments Through the Cloning Process: How the Hunt for Eggs Exploits Women," published in the July-August 2002 issue of Family Policy. "If any form of cloning is permitted, the industry will need women to donate their eggs. As long as profit depends on women participants, we can be sure that the most vulnerable women will be aggressively pursued regardless of the risk to their health and happiness. In the name of science, biotechnology will literally have its hands inside the bodies of hundreds of millions of poor, disadvantaged women. We must do all we can to stop this from happening."
Signs of Intelligence: FRC Releases 'Impact of Cloning on Women' Statement
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The Center for Human Life and Bioethics, a division of the Family Research Council, released a landmark statement Thursday on the impact of human cloning on women...
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Posted by Robis from Washington, DC on Apr. 01, 2003 07:47Actually, the effects of cloning on disadvantaged women might be a valid concern. I find it highly hypocritical for FRC to care, though, considering that much of their work is about negatively impacting disadvantaged women.
Shadowen: Which is why this is an April Fool's Day joke. (I'm assuming.) The FRC wouldn't...Ab_Normal: Alas, if you click on the link, the press release is dated 3/27/03. Unless it's...StruckingFuggle: Well, they are right-wingers.
Posted by BluJayLax on Apr. 01, 2003 08:46Just hope cloning happens before we can figure out how to do brain (or would that be body) transplants. A human egg is nothing if it is not fertalized. Giving women money for their eggs, since women will not use all the eggs they produce in a lifetime, would probably be a way to help those who are disadvataged.
We would then have to worry about clones being used as immortality vessels. At least they would be clones, imagine what will happen if we get brain transplanting down first, the rich will raise herds of humans so they can continue their lives indefinately. Deep moral problems here.
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heartless bitch: human immortality vessels? you mean, the reason everyone has babies? aww, fuck...BluJayLax: Not what i mean at all, using a womans egg, remove the nucleus and insert your...psychojosh13: i think the idea here is that with enough research, we wouldn't have to make...StruckingFuggle: Kinda like in that one movie, "Freejack"? (... somehow I feel like Prof. Frink...El Juno: There's already places that will give women money for their eggs, mostly...captain ignorant: yes, MIT and Ivy League students are often solicited for eggs for $25,000 or...
Posted by Termie from Canada on Apr. 01, 2003 10:27Don't know if its a joke, but I find this position kind of amusing. In particular I'm wondering why the FRC cares? The "hands inside the bodies" line is pretty funny given that they don't seem to mind having their hands in there when it comes to issues of abortion.... Anyhow.
Cloning would require removing the nucleus of the egg. At this point it becomes a basic body cell. Presumably the egg is required because it will have in it the various proteins expressed in it to activate the right genes when a nucleus is popped in (not all cells express the same proteins obviously). Therefore it should have no moral standing with the fundies.
What the real issue is here I think is a belief of using cloning to create stem cells.
BluJayLax: Of course it has moral standing, you're screwing with the possibility of life...
Posted by heartless bitch on Apr. 01, 2003 11:06i'm a woman - i totally want to be cloned - i have a lot of reasons to totally not want to have a baby - i figure my natural lifespan is anywhere between sixty to one hundred and fifty years - if they can take and freeze my eggs, then clone when necessary, i can have my own child! yayyyyy! oh, please god, let this happen - all i want is for them to get better at cloning - cloning means no dependence on others, just a beautiful baby to love and care, whenever i have the resources to take care of it and am finally emotionally ready - and check this out - don't be so fucking worried about the women. these women that you are so worried about, have you stopped to think that they will know that their genes have been passed on? they will lose the incredible burden of pushing to have a baby, and will be able to make rational choices, which the sheer ego-bursting lust of knowing that their own LIFE is out there and they have marked the world with their seed. so fuck you no, i do not think cloning is bad for women.
Posted by heartless bitch on Apr. 01, 2003 11:11i'm a woman - i totally want to be cloned - i have a lot of reasons to totally not want to have a baby - i figure my natural lifespan is anywhere between sixty to one hundred and fifty years - if they can take and freeze my eggs, then clone when necessary, i can have my own child! yayyyyy! oh, please god, let this happen - all i want is for them to get better at cloning - cloning means no dependence on others, just a beautiful baby to love and care for, whenever i have the resources to take care of it and am finally emotionally ready - and check this out - don't be so fucking worried about the women. these women that you are so worried about, have you stopped to think that they will know that their genes have been passed on? they will lose the incredible burden of pushing to have a baby, and will be able to make rational choices, which the sheer ego-bursting lust of knowing that their own LIFE is out there and they have marked the world with their seed. so fuck you no, i do not think cloning is bad for women, in fact i think you may be referring to in vitro fertilization, in which they buy the woman's eggs, add another man's sperm, and force it into a wife's body. this way, no "evil clone" which you are so afraid of is made! it's a whole new genetic combination, if that is what makes you so fucking happy. by the way, what was wrong with the original genetic combination, if she wants to clone herself? oh, fuck you again! you are saying that the original human being was not good enough, but that some new random combination will somehow be good enough that you would accept it? the clones will just be . . . well . . . people. If you accept them, they might accept you.
Posted by captain ignorant on Apr. 02, 2003 03:11I think it is a legitimate ethical issue. Consider that to "harvest" the eggs, a clinic would have to provide a fertility drug regimen to the egg donor as well as in-vitro fertilization package to the proud new mother. This would carry a cost of around $10,000. It would then be in the economic interest of the clinic to pay as little as possible to for each donated egg (roughly 15 eggs can be harvested per surgical procedure) So, with a little supply and demand, women who are poorer are more likely to accept a lower price more often for the donation of their eggs. Incentivizing unnecessary surgical procedures isn't the best idea. As far as sources for stem cell research-there are already thousands of embryos that are dumped down the drain in the middle of the night when lab freezers get full. They would make a great source for stem cells.
captain ignorant: let me also clarify, I don't think the FRC has any good intentions here, they...





